Another great email..
I stumbled across this one...this in one way sums up why i love and can barely stand fantasy football at the same time. This exchange involves me heavily..and i know some of you have seen it already...but since this gjy has bee banished from the leauge shortly after this exchange...i've had ZERO headaches..we cut off the head of the snake in other words. I hope you all enjoy how Retardedly intense this conversation is over fantasy football..and only those who play can really understand...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Joffe [mailto:eric@legendm.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:23 AM
> To: Josh Judit
> Subject: Fw: Line-up
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Collard"
> To: "Eric Joffe"
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:36 PM
> Subject: Line-up
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > You did not change my WR on the line-up that you
> sent
> > out? I have S. SMith not Glenn starting. I
> instant
> > messaged you that as soon as I found out that I
> got
> > SMith in D/A's. This makes a difference this week
> so
> > I need to make sure that you just didn't get to it
> > yet?
> >
> > Tony
--- "Judit, Josh"
wrote:
> Here's my understanding of what happened. Tony sent
> in his lineup at 10:41
> from the email myself and everyone else received in
> the group. In this
> lineup it shows Terry Glenn starting.
>
> Eric got the email shown below at 7:36 Sunday night,
> saying tony sent a
> change to Joffe to replace glenn with Steve smith.
> Eric says he never
> received an email from Tony requesting the switch
> before the email below.
> Tony says he sent Eric an instant message saying he
> wanted the switch, which
> Eric never got/saw.
>
> I've talked about this with a couple other people
> too to confirm my thoughts
> and here's my opinion:
>
> We all believe Tony in that he tried to change his
> lineup via instant
> message with Joffe and wanted to replace Glenn with
> Smith. The problem is we
> can't prove it. That is why all transactions must
> happen over Email. So we
> can track them and keep a record of them. Similar
> things like this have
> happened in the past and that is why we made it a
> rule a year ago that
> everything must happen over email. Since nobody saw
> this and we have no
> record anywhere of the request happening before noon
> on last Friday,
> unfortunately, Tony will have to go with his
> original starting lineup of
> Glenn over Smith.
>
> Josh
>
Josh,
Gnerally I never say a word regarding anything when it
comes to fantasy. I have done the stats consistantly
and have never bitched nor complained nor brought up
anything. If I was going to cheat, one I wouldn't do
it, two I definitely would not do it against Den.
Because I was sick I did not check my e-mail until
after I sent in my line-up. After seeing that I got
Smith I immediately instant messaged Eric because he
was on line at the time and it was close to the
deadline and I wanted to make sure that it got in. I
talk to him constantly this way each day. I sent it
to him then logged off the computer. No offense to
you, and understanding that this costs one of us the
game either way, this is bullshit. People, including
you have turned things into me over the past years
late and I have put them in for them, people have
called me and left messages on my phone with line-ups
(NOT EMAIL) and I have processed it. Quite honestly
whether I win or lose doesn't really matter, what
matters to me is that when everyone else does this
shit I have dealt with it, and went on. When I do it
I get screwed. You can call Todder up and make fun of
my ass all you want right now because I know you get
off on it, but this fucking sucks. I sent the line-up
change over to Joffe, I have no reason to lie,
especially with Den.
Tony
Not sure why you are so bitter toward me Tony. First of all, you've been in the league for several years and know..all transactions must be done over email.
Secondly, I know you've made exceptions over the years, Joffe and I did just last week and I did many times in the years before as well. People forget crap all the time. In fact, nobody even saw your lineup the first two weeks, which is also a pretty big benefit, considering you were doing the stats. However, none of them were changes that were REALIZED after the games were over. I really hope nobody ever asked to change their lineup after the games were done, cause that is just wrong. Again, no one is saying you are lying. WE all believe you, we just can't prove it. The problem is that you didn't email in the request. THERE IS NO RECORD WE CAN LOOK AT. If you were Den how would you feel? If I IM'D someone and asked them to see a movie with me that night and I never heard back, I wouldn't go to the theater and expect to see them there. I really am sorry it has to be this way. I talked to 6 different people to get their thoughts too on the situation and everyone felt the same, 4 of them are friends at work who are in leagues of their own since I wanted some other outside opinions.
Its been a stressful week in this league as for whatever reason you decided to stop doing stats out of the blue, when I had told you before if you need help at anytime let me know. Instead of giving me warning so I could help and figure something out, you dropped it on us with no grace period. I asked you what was wrong and If I could help and instead you ignored me and vaguely said you didn't have any time. Which in my book was bullshit as well. The irony of the whole thing is if you were still doing stats this would never have been a problem.
We all want this league to be fun Tony. We all want to enjoy the games and nobody wants to screw anyone, least of all Joffe who is 1-7 and has no reason to. Sometimes this shit just happens. I don't want to have a black cloud over the season because of this. Also, I feel tension writing this as I also haven't received your check yet for the league. I really hope my answer doesn't depend on receipt of it, because I have to go with what is fair and unfortunately in your case it's fair that glenn not smith remain your receiver. There just isn't anything showing me it's fair to do anything else. -----Original Message-----
From: Tony Collard [mailto:t_collard@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:01 AM
To: Judit, Josh
Subject: Re: Tony/Den
(tony) Has decided to leave our fantasy football league. Tony did A LOT of work for us over the past few years and he'll be missed. we wish him well!
I am working on two different options for the league to not miss a beat right now. I should have them out to everyone else by the end of the day.
Josh
side note:Tony emailed me the next day apologizing and wanted back in the leauge...too late. I replaced him 10 seconds after our email exchange was over with Darnell and have never looked back...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Joffe [mailto:eric@legendm.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:23 AM
> To: Josh Judit
> Subject: Fw: Line-up
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Collard"
> To: "Eric Joffe"
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:36 PM
> Subject: Line-up
>
>
> > Eric,
> >
> > You did not change my WR on the line-up that you
> sent
> > out? I have S. SMith not Glenn starting. I
> instant
> > messaged you that as soon as I found out that I
> got
> > SMith in D/A's. This makes a difference this week
> so
> > I need to make sure that you just didn't get to it
> > yet?
> >
> > Tony
--- "Judit, Josh"
wrote:
> Here's my understanding of what happened. Tony sent
> in his lineup at 10:41
> from the email myself and everyone else received in
> the group. In this
> lineup it shows Terry Glenn starting.
>
> Eric got the email shown below at 7:36 Sunday night,
> saying tony sent a
> change to Joffe to replace glenn with Steve smith.
> Eric says he never
> received an email from Tony requesting the switch
> before the email below.
> Tony says he sent Eric an instant message saying he
> wanted the switch, which
> Eric never got/saw.
>
> I've talked about this with a couple other people
> too to confirm my thoughts
> and here's my opinion:
>
> We all believe Tony in that he tried to change his
> lineup via instant
> message with Joffe and wanted to replace Glenn with
> Smith. The problem is we
> can't prove it. That is why all transactions must
> happen over Email. So we
> can track them and keep a record of them. Similar
> things like this have
> happened in the past and that is why we made it a
> rule a year ago that
> everything must happen over email. Since nobody saw
> this and we have no
> record anywhere of the request happening before noon
> on last Friday,
> unfortunately, Tony will have to go with his
> original starting lineup of
> Glenn over Smith.
>
> Josh
>
Josh,
Gnerally I never say a word regarding anything when it
comes to fantasy. I have done the stats consistantly
and have never bitched nor complained nor brought up
anything. If I was going to cheat, one I wouldn't do
it, two I definitely would not do it against Den.
Because I was sick I did not check my e-mail until
after I sent in my line-up. After seeing that I got
Smith I immediately instant messaged Eric because he
was on line at the time and it was close to the
deadline and I wanted to make sure that it got in. I
talk to him constantly this way each day. I sent it
to him then logged off the computer. No offense to
you, and understanding that this costs one of us the
game either way, this is bullshit. People, including
you have turned things into me over the past years
late and I have put them in for them, people have
called me and left messages on my phone with line-ups
(NOT EMAIL) and I have processed it. Quite honestly
whether I win or lose doesn't really matter, what
matters to me is that when everyone else does this
shit I have dealt with it, and went on. When I do it
I get screwed. You can call Todder up and make fun of
my ass all you want right now because I know you get
off on it, but this fucking sucks. I sent the line-up
change over to Joffe, I have no reason to lie,
especially with Den.
Tony
Not sure why you are so bitter toward me Tony. First of all, you've been in the league for several years and know..all transactions must be done over email.
Secondly, I know you've made exceptions over the years, Joffe and I did just last week and I did many times in the years before as well. People forget crap all the time. In fact, nobody even saw your lineup the first two weeks, which is also a pretty big benefit, considering you were doing the stats. However, none of them were changes that were REALIZED after the games were over. I really hope nobody ever asked to change their lineup after the games were done, cause that is just wrong. Again, no one is saying you are lying. WE all believe you, we just can't prove it. The problem is that you didn't email in the request. THERE IS NO RECORD WE CAN LOOK AT. If you were Den how would you feel? If I IM'D someone and asked them to see a movie with me that night and I never heard back, I wouldn't go to the theater and expect to see them there. I really am sorry it has to be this way. I talked to 6 different people to get their thoughts too on the situation and everyone felt the same, 4 of them are friends at work who are in leagues of their own since I wanted some other outside opinions.
Its been a stressful week in this league as for whatever reason you decided to stop doing stats out of the blue, when I had told you before if you need help at anytime let me know. Instead of giving me warning so I could help and figure something out, you dropped it on us with no grace period. I asked you what was wrong and If I could help and instead you ignored me and vaguely said you didn't have any time. Which in my book was bullshit as well. The irony of the whole thing is if you were still doing stats this would never have been a problem.
We all want this league to be fun Tony. We all want to enjoy the games and nobody wants to screw anyone, least of all Joffe who is 1-7 and has no reason to. Sometimes this shit just happens. I don't want to have a black cloud over the season because of this. Also, I feel tension writing this as I also haven't received your check yet for the league. I really hope my answer doesn't depend on receipt of it, because I have to go with what is fair and unfortunately in your case it's fair that glenn not smith remain your receiver. There just isn't anything showing me it's fair to do anything else. -----Original Message-----
From: Tony Collard [mailto:t_collard@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 11:01 AM
To: Judit, Josh
Subject: Re: Tony/Den
(tony) Has decided to leave our fantasy football league. Tony did A LOT of work for us over the past few years and he'll be missed. we wish him well!
I am working on two different options for the league to not miss a beat right now. I should have them out to everyone else by the end of the day.
Josh
side note:Tony emailed me the next day apologizing and wanted back in the leauge...too late. I replaced him 10 seconds after our email exchange was over with Darnell and have never looked back...
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